Wednesday, August 6, 2025

Mistakes Professionals Keep Making When Trying to Predict The Emmys Part 2: How The Other Major Awards Shows Influence (Or Don't) The Emmys Over My Experience

 

Before I tried to predict the Emmys I tried to predict the Oscars, though strictly speaking that was a far more detached method than I ever did the Emmys, mainly because I've never cared as much about the latter as the former.

The main reason I began to consider it was because I was watching the Golden Globes and the SAG Awards to see how they would correspond with the Academy Awards within a few months and since both film and television were always covered, I tended to note both. When I began my professional career (from this point forward I'm going to say in 2016 which is when I began writing at Medium) I was basically using three major awards show as my standard going forward: The Golden Globes, The Critics Choice Awards (which gave their first TV Awards in 2011) and the SAG Awards.

As you know I've used many other awards shows going forward as part of my Emmy Watch series in recent years but the first three have been the most significant. However there's always been a bug in them, compared to the Oscars. The end of year award shows cover the calendar year just past while the Emmys cover June 1st to the following May 31st. For that reason in recent years some have wondered if it made sense for the Emmys to move its own awards to the start of the calendar year as well.

I've had personal objections to this over the years but the most pertinent one would be I've never been entirely sure if it would have much of an effect on the shows that have been nominated and the awards they have given. As I've written numerous times the Emmys has always been a very restrictive club where once you get nominated, it's enough  to get you nominated over and over no matter how much the quality of your show or performance changes over time. There have been some changes to this over the years to be sure but that's as much the pattern today as it was in 2000. The only reason it has begun to change so much in recent years have been factors that often have little to do the nominations but the industry (the pandemic and work stoppages being the most obvious ones). Even then it usually doesn't make much of a difference.

We see this in practice this very year. The general consensus was that Season 3 of The Bear was drastically inferior in quality to Season 2 but despite that it was still nominated for Outstanding Comedy and all four leads from 2024 were nominated this year. The fact that there were fewer overall nominations doesn't change the basic fact that the Emmys were still determined to honor it no matter what. To a lesser extent we saw this play out with the second season of The Last of Us. This pattern played out most notably with the final season of Game of Thrones which set a record for most Emmy nominations for a drama even though critics and fans by and large hated the final season. There are exceptions – Squid Game was completely shutout this year after being a phenomena in its first season – but that is generally the tule.

That's also the reason I tend to prefer the other awards shows nominees and winners most of the time, mainly because for whatever reason they've never felt bound by the same old habits of the Emmys voters. That doesn't mean I haven't learned certain things that each awards show will do that the Emmys just won't.

I'm fully aware of the controversy the Hollywood Foreign Press has been involved in during the last few years that basically led to them being forced to give up the Golden Globes two years ago. Regardless of that my opinion is that when the Golden Age of Television was at its peak during the last twenty five years the Golden Globes was ahead of the curve on the best television far more than the Emmys was during this same period.

This was particularly true in drama where it gave the grand prize to shows the Emmys never honored such as Six Feet Under, The Shield and Boardwalk Empire as well as paying tribute to actors and actress who never got their due in the Emmys for their iconic roles. In the 2000s Hugh Laurie won twice for House, Ian McShane won for Deadwood and Michael C. Hall won for Dexter. Even given the high caliber of roles for actors during this period I was never thrilled that they were never honored. In the 2010s Steve Buscemi would win for Boardwalk Empire and Kevin Spacey would win for House of Cards. Their record for actresses was less spectacular but they honor Rachel Griffiths for Six Feet Under and Robin Wright for House of Cards as well. They also recognized performances the Emmys never saw fit to even nominate: Chloe Sevigny for Big Love in 2010, Katey Segal for Sons of Anarchy in 2011 and Jeremy Irons for The Borgias in 2012.

Their record in Comedy/Musical was even better overall, giving prizes to Desperate Housewives, Ugly Betty and Glee (twice). And during the same period Julia Louis-Dreyfus was winning six consecutive Emmys for Veep they never honored her once but instead honored such luminaries as Amy Poehler for Parks & Rec and Tracee Ellis Ross for black-ish. And showing a spirit of inclusion the Emmys never did they gave Gina Rodriguez a trophy for Jane The Virgin and the follower year honored Rachel Bloom for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

This spirit has always been present in the shows they nominate as well. Where the Emmys was unwilling to let Showtime win the grand prize until 2012 for Homeland (and that was the only one) the Golden Globes was far friendlier. Weeds took outstanding Comedy Series in 2006 and Homeland won back-to-back prizes for Best Drama in 2012 and 2013. It also gave The Affair the Best Drama prize in 2014 (the Emmys would never even nominate it for the top prize.) The Golden Globes would also let no less than ten different actors take prizes over the first two decades of the century: Mary Louise-Parker for Weeds and then three consecutive Golden Globes for leads in Best Comedy Series; Toni Collette in United States of Tara in 2009; Edie Falco for Nurse Jackie in 2010 and Laura Linney for The Big C in 2011. Don Cheadle won for House of Lies in 2013 (I didn't say they were all good choices) and Matt Leblanc won for Episodes in 2012. They were also generous in drama; in addition to Michael C. Hall and Irons, they would recognize Claire Danes twice for Homeland, Damian Lewis for the same show; John Lithgow for Dexter in 2010; Jon Voight for Ray Donovan in 2014 and Ruth Wilson for The Affair in 2015. The Emmys would recognize some of these but a lot of these shows and actors never won and in some case were never nominated.

By the time I started covering these awards shows professionally the Golden Globes had spent a lot of time giving me false hope that shows and actors I loved would win or being nominated and then year after year the Emmys would either not nominate the shows or if they did, still give the awards to the same actors. This didn't mean the Globes didn't have blind spots (they didn't nominate Breaking Bad or Bryan Cranston until the fifth season of the show) but it was incredibly frustrating, nevertheless. This pattern hasn't quite continued over the last decade but it has been known to happen quite a bit. The biggest sign the Globes were ahead of the curve in recent years came when in 2019 they gave the Best Drama prize to the final seasons of The Americans and ignored Game of Thrones entirely. (During its entire run on television Game of Thrones never won the Best Drama prize once and I'm still totally fine with that.)

My biggest problem and the one the Golden Globes need to correct has been that all of the supporting actor and actress awards cover Drama, Comedy, Limited Series and TV Movie. Until very recently (basically the last five years) that essentially meant the Supporting Acting Awards would always be won by performers in either TV movies or Limited Series. I never objected to the winners; merely the standards of who they were competing against. It seemed like under the last year the HFPA was in charge they were adapting: the supporting actor and actress awards were divided between drama/comedy and limited series/tv movie for the first time. But in 2024 they were back to the old standard. I do hope they change.

By and large the Golden Globes have in recent years either been a predictor of the Emmys to come (as they did for Season 2 of Succession and Season 4 of The Crown) or honoring the big winners of the previous year. The latter was in play this past January when Shogun was the big winner for drama, Hacks the big winner for Comedy, and Baby Reindeer the big winner for Limited Series. And while many of the nominated shows and actors were recognized by the Emmys, quite a few did fall by the wayside. Most notably was Day of the Jackal which was nominated for Best Drama and Best Actor for Eddie Redmayne but was ignored in both categories.

That said it did have a track record with many of the major nominees in drama and comedy. It accurately predicted The  Diplomat and Slow Horses would be here, all five of the nominees that had current seasons for Best Comedy were included by the Emmys and they did manage to get two of the nominees for Best Limited Series down. (I really thought Disclaimer would be one of the bigger nominees)

Moving on to the Critics Choice nominations they've been around the shortest time of all the major awards show but have been my favorite because they've historically been the most eclectic and rewarding. For the first five years of their existence they actually aired in the summer but then shifted to the winter in 2015 to pair up with the awards they gave for film.) They continued to be a favorite because of their history of ties which sadly have abated in recent years.

Historically they still march to their own drummer when it comes to nominations with certain series and actors always being able to get more love then others. (Walton Goggins was nominated for five different shows before the current season of The White Lotus.) Nor have they changed that much since moving to the end of the year; among their nominees and winners have been The Americans and Better Call Saul for Best Drama; Abbott Elementary for Best Comedy and when it comes to Best Limited Series they will frequently march to their own drummer. (They did not nominated The White Lotus in that category even though they gave the supporting actor and actress prizes to that show.) They've also been far more generous in their acting awards: Bob Odenkirk took three Best Actor prizes from them for Better Call Saul; they honored Millie Bobby Brown for Stranger Things and were the only awards group to honor Andrew Scott for Fleabag and they'd given Jean Smart two acting prizes before she starred in Hacks. (One for Season 2 for Fargo; one for Watchmen.)

They've made some mistakes over the years to be sure: they nominated Watchmen as a drama series rather than a limited series and this year Liev' Schreiber's win for The Perfect Couple in Best Limited Series was completely out of left field. But I still give them credit for recognizing the series and actors that might very well fall under the radar and often being ahead of the curve. They were, after all, the first group to give Cristin Milioti the Best Actress prize for her work in The Penguin this year. And they rarely let controversy get in the way of nominating the best shows: The English Teacher received a nomination for Outstanding Comedy Series even after the controversy around Brian Jordan Alvarez.

They've often been more ahead the curve then even other awards show. This was true last year when Matthew MacFayden, having already won the Emmy and the Golden Globe for his work in Succession was widely expected to take the Critics Choice Award for Best Supporting Actor in a Drama. Instead it went to Billy Crudup for The Morning Show, the second won he had won from then in four seasons. It was an augur: last September he took his second Emmy. One sees a similar pattern in some of the awards they gave this January. Kathy Bates upset Anna Sawai for her work in Matlock and she is without doubt the frontrunner for Best Actress this year.

The Screen Actors Guild Awards have always been harder to consider for reasons I've made clear repeatedly: there's no differentiation between leads and supporting in the six major categories for acting. Furthermore for much of the last twenty years it's been locked in the same patterns as the Emmys have been, honoring the same actors and shows year after year. Alec Baldwin won five consecutive Outstanding Actor in a Comedy awards for 30 Rock, Modern Family won four consecutive Outstanding Comedy Awards, Orange is the New Black won three straight …okay that's not the worst example.

But in the last few years there have been some signs that the SAG awards is capable of surprising. Sometimes it's not always pleasant – I remember in 2020 when Marvelous Mrs. Maisel won the prize for Best Comedic Ensemble they seemed very reluctant to accept, believing Fleabag should have won. (It should have.) But it is willing to at least allow room for variety even within the limited structure of these awards. This was demonstrated particularly during the third and fourth season of Succession. Both times the show was expected to sweep all three categories and each time it 'only' won Best Dramatic Ensemble. In 2022 Lee Jung-Jae and Hoye-On won Outstanding Actor and Actress for Squid Game; in 2024, Pedro Pascal won for The Last of Us and Elizabeth Debicki won for The Crown. In the latter case the winners were dumbstruck; Pascal was drunk and Debicki was barefoot. This past September we got an even bigger shock when Hacks lost Best Comedy ensemble to Only Murders in the Building. Even Selena Gomez was stunned: "But we never win anything."

I still think it is incumbent on the SAG awards to have Supporting Male and Female Actor for all television categories. It actually astonishes me that they don't, considering  they do for film. I don't know why Julia Garner had to compete against Laura Linney in Ozark or Tony Shalhoub had to win Best Male Actor in a  Comedy where he was clearly supporting in Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. This is a show about actors after all; you'd think they'd want to honor more of them.

And if there's one thing I know about all three of these awards shows is that they seem to have a way of recognizing the cream and what is superficial. The best example came during the end-of-year awards for 2019 when even though Euphoria had debuted the previous summer not one of the end of year awards shows recognized it or Zendaya for any awards at all. That's in large part why Zendaya's nomination for Best Lead Actress in 2020 – and her subsequent win – struck me as so shocking. The show had debuted the previous summer where it should have gotten more recognition by the end-of-year awards shows and to a group, they ignored it. As you know my feeling about that series, I don't have to tell you that gave me a reason to like them all.

Furthermore Season 2, while it was met with vast approval by the Emmys and so many other smaller award groups, the majority of the other shows were left unimpressed. To be sure Zendaya did win the Best Actress in a Drama from the Golden Globes and the Critics Choice Awards in 2023, but it received no other nominations from the former and was only nominated for Best Drama by the latter. The SAG awards did nominate Zendaya for Outstanding Actress in a Drama in 2023 but she lost to Jennifer Coolidge for The White Lotus.

It is the Emmys recognition of Euphoria that perhaps demonstrates the difference between that group and all the other awards shows I follow: they have never been inclined to follow HBO dramas the same way the Emmys always will. So much of the era of Peak TV has been centered on the dominance of HBO. And the majority of these awards shows will recognize HBO but have  room for other networks. It's not just Showtime ; it's that they've been willing to recognize network television in drama and comedy where the Emmys has essentially been shutting them out for much of the last decade (particularly with the CW); but they're willing to recognize cable networks such as Starz and even Lifetime and Sundance (when they were showing original programming) Even with the Emmys overwhelming recognition of streaming, these other awards shows have been willing to recognize Peacock in a way the Emmys refuses too.  They've been willing to nominate not just Day of the Jackal, but Poker Face and Mrs. Davis in a way the Emmys has refused to acknowledge.

Perhaps that's the real reason I don't think the Emmys shouldn't be moved to January rather than September. The Emmys has been making great strides to becoming more relevant over the last five or six years in particular but that wouldn't matter if it couldn't break its habits of recognizes the same networks and services over and over. If the Emmys is going to keep saying that dramas like Euphoria and Ozark  deserve awards instead of Will Trent and Cruel Summer and  does the same for comedies like Silicon Valley and Girls instead of Cougar Town and Ghosts  and that limited series like Gaslit will not get nominated and Pam & Tommy will, changing where it airs won't make it more viewable. Other awards shows may have less respect than the Emmys but they cast a bigger net and that's always going to give them an edge in my book, even if it makes my job predicting the Emmys harder. And trust me, it has.

Now we've dealt with what I've tried to use as precursors to the Emmys. In the next article I will, as previously promised, look at Gold Derby and see how they try to predict it.

 

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